"we got 85 walleye last night"

the ziffel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:54 am

Just got back from Springside Park "fish sanctuary" in Napanee. Talking to a native with a dip net. He said, "we got 85 walleye last night". Asked if he was selling them + he said no. No other comment on what he was doing with them. I said, "that's a lot of fish, I only caught + released 2 all winter". There were 2 other natives there. 1 with a spear + one with a rod + reel. No fish on shore, but lots of blood. Saw 2 walleye swimming, so they are up. Let's hear some opinions on this. Personally, I think somebody was a bit greedy, grabbing 85 walleye + think it's a shame the "natives" practice their "rights" this way. Anywho, "good fishin", Al

mux - walleyes only · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:15 pm

How dare you even suggest that there is a commerical motive to the First Nations people's harvesting of natures bounty. After all, they are Native to the Land, as one with nature, dedicated to the preservation of the natural order of things. Those 85 fish are to be used for ceremonial purposes, don't you know nothin'?

To even suggest that the Native motives are nothing short of spiritual is a blatant case of discrimination against our First Nations people. 85 is a spiritual number, a ceremonial digit, an ancient tally from the Forefathers.

Sanctuaries are for Pagans, the unbelievers in the Great Spirit. They are merely practicing their given right to take their fair share. You think 85 is excessive?

You are discriminating against our Native North American People. Please keep your santimonious opinions to yourself. Fishing, hunting, tax exemption, special status are their God given rights as beings superior to other Canadians, after all, you and I personally took their land from them and banished them to another planet just last week.

85 is too much? Give me a break. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

Jimbo · **Joined:** Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:13 pm **Posts:** 285

Man that story breaks my heart, talk about an over kill. Like Mux pointed out, it is just the tip of the iceburg. Thanks for the report.

Jimbo

LMckeown · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:01 pm

Ziffel, 85 walleye ?? That's just not right ! I guess we do not do much harm then do we? :lol:

wayne · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:14 pm

85 walleye thats nothing, you should be at Consecon when they 1/2 fill the back of a 1/2 ton truck.

wulf · **Joined:** Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:51 pm **Posts:** 22

As I mentioned in a previous post, there are good natural fish hatcheries
on the bay, and while stocking walleye does not seem to be a popular option for many anglers, protecting the fish which do make it to the rivers'
spawning beds is a necessity. I agree that it,s just the tip of the iceberg.
For sure we lose 50,000 fish in Quinte every year to illegal gillnetting
and spearing. That,s not including the fish which would have hatched
from these fish. It,s a tragedy which can be prevented by a government with the will to do so.

There'sOne! · **Joined:** Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:58 pm **Posts:** 38

Well put Mux! Here we go again! The annual right of Spring! Us anglers get more pi$$ed off and they get more fish! When will this cycle of stupidy end?
BTW - Loblaws has Walleye fillets on sale....

YO · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:03 pm

One that always gets me with the native spear fishing. Just think, what are the ideal targets for the spear fishers? It's not the giant hens, these guys know well enough that the big ones don't taste all that good. It's not the small fish under 20" that they're jabbin at. Nope, these guys are stickin their spears in the same fish that you and I have to release. You know the ones I'm talkin about. Anywhere between about 20" - 25" If you could keep them, they'd be good eaters, but lucky for them, they're protected by the slot. Just think, you release that beauty 23" fish with a big smile thinking to yourself "Wow, this slot is really working" "This fish will get to spawn this spring". But, she ends up on the end of a stick. How nice!!

Hey, I'm all for native rights. I think that they do need to preserve the ancient ways and try to keep the spirit alive. But in all honesty, who needs 85 fish in one night? I have this feeling that a lot of these fish are sold to unsuspecting people. You know, if it was a father going down there and spearing 3 or 4 fish to feed to his family, fine. It's not though, it's guys going down there with visions of a big fat wad of cash. Keep the spirit alive, that's right, kill the fish, sell the fillets, go to the liquor store.... SPIRITS!!!!!!

Guest · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:24 pm

Well its good to know the "quinte area" is filled with a bunch of whining racists!! If you don't know your in UNSURRENDERED TERRITORY! The 1643 Cartwright Treaty recogonized you law does not apply to Native People. The 1763 Royal Proclamation reserves the use all lands outside the colony of Quebec as exclusive lands for native people to hunt and fish. The 1768 Johnson Treaty stats natives can hunt throughout the country, but white people can only hunt their side of the line. YOH-YAH-DAH-DOH KENTE but as you little white boys call it the Quinte Region is on OUR side of the line and has NEVER BEEN SURRENDERED! Your presence in our ancestoral land is treason against YOUR Crown. It take 100 pounds of fillets to feed one person for a year.......So to feed a family of five it would take 500 pounds.......at approx. 2.5 pounds per fish.......thats 200 fish per family. I personally fish for 7 families.......so i guess i need to get 1400 fish, during the 2-3 week spawn.

FROM A WARRIOR from YOH-YAH-DAH-DOH KENTE

P.S Using the Native method (the one the MNR stole) One 11 pound sow will produce 4300 fish. But if mother nature only 400 will be produced.

shawn_303 · **Joined:** Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:57 am **Posts:** 237

Run and hollar "racist". It's such an easy out these days. So very tired of it.

Jay · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:12 pm **Posts:** 102

I don't mind the natives being in the rivers, the only thing that I don't get is why do they have to spear. Why not use a big ass net. I know they say because its part of thier heritage but guess what, this is the year 2005 and everything is changing. I feel that this way then the ones that are doing it "only to feed thier families" should respect the big spawners and then they can be put back without being harmed. Once they stick a big spawner then they have no choice but to keep it or else its going to die anyways. Like I said this is 2005 not the 1800's and a lot of us have to respect the law, Its just too bad there are people that think they are too good for the law and don't respect anybody else. And I am not just talking about the natives. I wil be very interested to see how many game wardens will be at the docks checking the fish that will be caught, probably not to many. Also why walleye? Is it because they are easy at this time of the year?? Why not go up those little streams for the pike or in the back coves for carp or for suckers. Pike taste just as good as walleye and heck they could sell the carp to the chinese for big bucks. Doesn't surprise me that people take the easy way. Anyways good luck to everybody this summer, and take a kid fishing whether it be a friend or relative. Lets teach this great resource to the future anglers.

DanElliot · **Joined:** Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:59 am **Posts:** 4329

This type of post comes up every year and every year I have to pull the plug on it because it erodes into a bashing. I dont mind open discussion that is respectful but I will ban any IP numbers posting inappropiate comments.

There'sOne! · **Joined:** Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:58 pm **Posts:** 38

The more things change... the more they stay the same!

Jay · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:12 pm **Posts:** 102

Obviously you have not read the amount of Bay of Quinte walleye that is healthy for human consumption. Eat 100 lbs of BOQ walleye filets a yr and you won't need a Halloween costume, you will glow in the dark naturally. Sure am glad the bass don't spawn in rivers.

FiletOFish · **Joined:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:38 pm **Posts:** 12

I agree Jay, eating that much Quinte walleye would definetly not be good besides the point that Natives eat more then just walleye in a year. So would use such numbers in defence knowing that you would never eat that much in one year? Because the fact is they are being sold! Is this speculation, or accusations nope! I know several Natives that are openly selling Garbage bags full. And I have happily reported each and every one of them! What kind of action did the Ministry take? None.

Taking a walk down the Riverside trail today I stopped and watched some Natives snagging walleye, not only were they milking them to give some hope of having the eggs hatch they stopped after catching only three. Point being this is not a bash against all "Natives" a lot of them respect laws and do what they can to make sure eggs have a chance while keeping there heritage alive, but at the same time there are those who believe they can make a wallet full off of there catches. That is simply not right.

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