Napanee River

Joseph · **Posted:** Wed Jan 01, 2003 10:18 pm

One other thing:
If agriculture isn't the issue, what is it? When you say:
"The Napanee R. gets a C-. Very very tricky to get any involvement by the locals. This would be a touchy one. Cattle is not a big problem. I leave it up to ones imagination.....being a nightowl would help."
I'm curious. Really ....
Joseph

ODG · **Posted:** Thu Jan 02, 2003 10:03 am

I was born in the area.

Regarding the Napanee R., I choose to leave this alone. Way too sticky. It has to be handled very carefully. That is all regarding this.

The RAP group will take possible credit for lower phosphate levels etc. I believe I might have read about some select site involement but am somewhat hazzy about this. They need more substance to begin to get real support. My hat is off to you for doing some research.

A group that has some substance has been the Landfill opponents from Napanee area and Tyendinega. I am impressed.... I wish that the outdoor fishing related community had it remotely together like this group. I am not a supporter of protest, but do support this group in my own small way. The neat thing is that they seem from a distance to have achieved support, the way it needs to be done in this area. Grassroots with what appears to be sound leadership.

In time, I fully suspect that there will be the leadership in place within the community to create substantial inroads. That person or group has yet to appear or make themselves known as to any possible interest. Ideally they will be able to gain the respect of all, or most within the regional community. Speaking without thinking has been a past failure, that is bound to repeat itself. Slowly this area will come unto its own.

ODG

jignpigman · **Posted:** Thu Jan 02, 2003 11:36 pm

Some interesting disscusions, just a coment from someone who has only been living in Kingston for 7 years,but has seen many changes in a very short time.Six years ago there was a healthy population of spring rainbows,and fall browns(browns being stocked each year 5000 in Millhaven creek)I have seen the rainbows from one of these creeks virtually disappear over the past 3 years, why? Due to low water levels in the lakes to the north the water is being held back, it is also being drained from Lake Ontario rendering these creeks dry from early spring to the following spring. Why the ministry continues to stock millhaven each spring and then cut off the water and oxygen to these fingerlings thus forceing them to enter the big CLEAR lake and be vulnerable to predators frustrates me. My point is you can clean up the rivers but if the water is being resticted and controled the problem may still exist. I have seen huge lake trout spawning in these rivers ( I walk my dog regularily) they have also disappeared. Just some observations!!!

wulf · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2003 1:37 am

Of all the factors affecting water quantities in a stream or river, evapotranspiration is the most significant. The reason so many streams dry up early these days is because of the lack of vegetative cover along
banks. Water simply evaporates befor it has a chance to become part of the flow. This, coupled with hotter, longer summers and withdrawal of water by humans spells disaster for any fish species, young which lingers upstream too long.
The answer is to replant and maintain good cover along the stream itself
and, more importantly, along as many of it,s tributaries NO MATTER HOW SMALL, as possible. An added benefit to this is of course the lowering of water temps., allowing for higher dissolved o2 levels.

ODG · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2003 2:35 pm

I agree Wulffy. The sooner that people begin to understand this fundamental building block.... the better. It makes me very sad to see a small stream, or river...even a shorleine without vegatation that is remotely native let alone much in the way of habitat for local species of fish.

Regarding the water levels..... the other gentleman is also correct. Outdoorspeople of all backgrounds and verying opinions have this one item to be concerned about. It has and will continue to happen (The manipuilation of water levels through dams, etc.) until people begin to say "enough". This effects the St. Lawrence R., many parts of the Great Lakes and many, many tributaries.

Regards
ODG

jrando05 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2003 6:35 pm

Hey Fellas:

I followed this string with great interest, both personal and professional. My personal interest draws from the fact that I grew up spending all my vacation time with my Grandparent's in Adolphustown. My Grandfather built a house right on the Bay just down the road from the Ferry. On a professional level, I now am a Principal in an Environmental Consulting firm here in Los Angeles.

One of my goals is to re-purchase my Grandfather's house someday.

Anyway, I was wondering if any of you - or anyone else on this board - had ever fished Black Creek, on the south side of the Glenora Peninsula. Growing up, I found that to be a rather "mythical" and productive fishing spot. It's been too many years now though. I was wondering about current conditions, environmentally and in terms of fish.

I look forward to any responses. Thanks.

P.S. I'll be getting up for a little Ice Fishing on the Bay the first weekend of February. Hope a few big ones are around for a hacker (and releaser) like me.

See ya --

Joseph · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:33 pm

ODG talks about the area coming into its one day in terms of fisher"people" :-)

getting together both for conservation and other purposes. I thought I'd just put things in perspective by recalling a conversation I had with the president of the Friends of the Grand River. Because I fish on the Grand, I'd heard a lot about them and the good work they do, so I thought I'd give them a call to ask a few questions before sending them a donation. Here I was thinking that it was a massive group, but the guy who answered told me they had only about 25 active members, and of that my bet is that five or 10 do all the heavy lifting. Doesn't take much eh!
The tree cover issue identified by some posters, I definitely agree with .....
Even when I'm on a little creek like Bronte, I feel like I'm in the middle of nowhere ....

ODG · **Posted:** Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:46 pm

This is an item that few pay much attention to. There is a small run of trout and a much larger run of suckers that use this up to the dam.

It sure looks interesting downstream for bass, but I have not fished that area nor am I aware of anyone that fishes it.
ODG

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