Possible World Lake Trout record confiscated

Walleye 9 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:05 pm **Posts:** 1985

If I knew there was only a 1 fish limit, I would've thrown back the 4 pounder.... :wink:

West Lake Willows · **Posted:** Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:42 pm

Grizzly wrote:

.. you have a very good reputation you work hard to keep it but even here in what you say its up to the readers to believe or disbelieve what you say. .

I'm not sure I understand your remarks. Can you clarify them for me please.

Scott

Grizzly · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:02 am

West Lake Willows wrote:

Grizzly wrote:

.. you have a very good reputation you work hard to keep it but even here in what you say its up to the readers to believe or disbelieve what you say. .

I'm not sure I understand your remarks. Can you clarify them for me please.

Scott

I guess what im saying is your word or our word is what we have we can say and only hope people believe what we say to be truth whole truth, and nothing but truth

shepherd · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:41 am

Hey Scott:

You mentioned in post above:
"There could be 5 other licenses on the boat and technically it has to be thrown over as a dead fish."

Not picking on you but according to the Regulations: Technically
"Only fish that are in such a condition that they will survive may be released. Releasing a fish that will not survive and allowing the flesh of that fish to be wasted is an offence."
From Ontario Fishing Regulations Summary page 9.
In the scenario you mentioned above you would have to keep the dying or dead fish and release a healthy one from your livewell.

This is my interpretation of the regulation. If I am incorrect I apologize.

Randy

adventure · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:18 am

I guess to be certain, you would have to tag each fish in the livewell with the name of the person who caught it so you would know who caught what. I think this is where the party fishing could save a lot of hassle and questions especially for the charter guys. Five go out, five come back with a limit (assuming a good day here).

Of course I'm also certain it would only lead to even more gray areas of its own anyway.

West Lake Willows · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:49 am

shepherd wrote:

Hey Scott:

You mentioned in post above:
"There could be 5 other licenses on the boat and technically it has to be thrown over as a dead fish."

Not picking on you but according to the Regulations: Technically
"Only fish that are in such a condition that they will survive may be released. Releasing a fish that will not survive and allowing the flesh of that fish to be wasted is an offence."
From Ontario Fishing Regulations Summary page 9.
In the scenario you mentioned above you would have to keep the dying or dead fish and release a healthy one from your livewell.

This is my interpretation of the regulation. If I am incorrect I apologize.

Randy

In this instance I would agree with a 100% and wouldn't think a CO would throw the book at me for keeping a second over that was legitimately a dead or dying fish with 6 licenses on the boat. The point I was trying to make is in that situation on Quinte if a deep rod fires the best practice is to give it to a guy without an over in the event it is a dead fish. No reason to get yourself in a questionable situation.

It seems to be a pretty similar situation though to what this entire thread is about.
A guy is ice fishing catches and retains a 4lb fish that fills his possesion limit. He catches a world record, that he says was not going to survive, and gives the 4lb fish to a buddy near by that has not retained a fish yet so now they are both transporting their legal limit. The second fish was confiscated for being over his limit. How is that different then the situation on a boat with gifting the first over and keeping the second?

You make a good point though and I should have used a better example then I did. That example detracts from the original point I was trying to make. Ill edit the original statement with a better example.

Scott

Billy Dee · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:59 am

West Lake Willows wrote:

How is that different then the situation on a boat with gifting the first over and keeping the second?

In the story that is the subject of this thread, the guy charged kept an iced fish, which logically would have been dead, thus he had filled his limit. He was then caught keeping another fish. Quite a bit different from culling a live fish from a fishwell.

northof7 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:07 pm **Posts:** 25

I think the point of the one fish limit is that once you get one , you stop fishing and party fishing defeats the direction of the rule which is to preserve the fishery

West Lake Willows · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:43 pm

Billy Dee,

I am not referring to culling a live fish. The example I provided earlier that Sheppard replied to was this.

If an angler that has already retained a fish over 24.8" on Quinte in the fall is next angler in the rotation and a deep rod fires do I let him bring the fish in? What if the fish blows its bladder or is deep hooked? Assuming his retained fish is not releasable, he is obligated to release the second over even if it is going to die because he has reached his possession limit. It is irrelevant in the letter of that law that we have 5 other licenses on board. The angler in question has reached his/her possession limit and must release the fish.

This is the same as the scenario in the original post because the angler had reach his possession limit with the 4lb fish. Retaining the 52lb even if he felt it would die if released is illegal. Giving the 4lb fish away is also irrelevant it is still part of that days possession limit. This is no different then the situation on a boat as described. Using the guise of a fish that is mortally wounded is not an acceptable reason to be over your possession limit. The possession limit trumps the regulation Shepard posted.

Whether it is questionable or not, I would not release a dead fish if we had others on the boat that had not filled their possession limit. I don't think a CO would throw the book at you in this case, however, it is breaking the party fishing regulations.

As the good book states "let he without sin cast the first stone". Im not throwing stones, as in the past I was unaware of the party fishing regulations and there were times on my boat we did not abide by the letter of the law. I have never allowed anyone to take over their possession limit but I did allow an over to be kept under another anglers license being unaware it was illegal to do so.

Scott

shepherd · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:53 pm

Morale of the story. I agree with you Scott. IMHO even tho "illegal" the world record Lake Trout should have been released, at least it might have survived. I also believe that if the possesion limit is 4 and you would like to keep fishing ie: catch and release then you should only have possession of 3 and immediately release the 4th until you decide you are done then take your 4 and go home. Or even better yet take 1 for dinner and let the rest go to catch another day.
In the best interest of the fishery, everyone should be as ethical as they can be. We are not in a perfect world and you cannot account for every scenario.
Scott, I know that you keep ethics in mind when you are out there and you are a good example for others. There is definately a very grey area when it comes to understanding or interpreting the laws. To top it all off every CO interprets the regulations in slightly different ways.

Randy

adventure · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:39 pm

Straight from the regs "Releasing a fish that will not survive and allowing the flesh of that fish to be wasted is an offence." Of course keeping the 52 lber was also illegal. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Makes you think the only real way to make it cut and dry is to not allow any fishing to continue once any limit of any species has been reached. Not sure any of us would like that.

West Lake Willows · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:25 pm

Adventure,

That would not allow you to be over your possession limit. I had a discussion today with a forum member that inquired all the way to the "MNR regulation specialist" about this very topic. He was told that if he had 4 fish on the ice he is legally allowed to continue fishing but if he caught a mortally wounded fish he had to release it. No "if" "and" or "but" it has to be released. There is no excuse to be over your possession limit.

The solution is simple as both you and Shepard stated. Don't keep fishing once you are limited out. Either leave a spot in your possession to keep fishing or quit. The law doesn't state that, however you put yourself in a position to potentially end up in a tight spot by not doing so. In the fall if rods need to come up then bring them up. Lets face it one extra fish isn't making or breaking feeding our families. Just leave a spot in your possession and don't worry about anything.

Scott

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horsehunter · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:14 am **Posts:** 387

So if his daily possession limit was laying on the ice why was he still fishing, and why did the CO not say something? Guess he was hoping for Crappie.

horsehunter · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:14 am **Posts:** 387

WHAT RECORD

Ontario record 63.12 lbs
Canadian Record 72.25 lbs ( Great Bear Lake )
couldn't find IGFA record appeared to be missing from lists

Grizzly · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:53 pm

all I can think is if this was about a 4 pound fish and a 8 pound fish none of it would have ever come to light but since we are talking a world record (Maybe he was fishing with 2 pound test) it was questioned and by a very high authority .....another thing is there was a border issue that seems to be in play... fishing a one fish zone, maybe 200 yards away it was a 2 fish zone or a 6 fish zone, and the guy never really gave it much thought until he was called on his actions I can see where that could happen not to be excused but it could happen. look at whats going on now with the 3 rod rule in the states, over the two rod rule in Canadian waters you can latterly be towing the line by mere feet or yards. not everyone out there has state of the art plotters that show or tell you that you have crossed borders zone 20 and the st L have such a line and rule on number of lines as well as the ferry right here in the bay al be it that line is easy to see by line of sight unless of course your fishing in dense fog lol I guess best way to look at it is when in doubt ere on the side of caution..... many ethical questions can be raised when it comes to catch and release ....... Scott and I both brought up bible passages I used a glass bottom boat instead of a glass house but was saying the same thing, but I can also add gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins

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