GOLDEN STAR 2ND ANNUAL WALLEYE FISHING DERBY FEB 21st

DanElliot · **Joined:** Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:59 am **Posts:** 4329

Ok Guys lets keep the discussion to the issue without throwing in personal jabs, barbs, insults ect.. If folks want to make it personal take it else where. I hate banning folks but will do so if it keeps up.
My own view on this is similar to BigMac. I have no problem with anyone legally harvesting a fish over or under the slot but why run an event that encourages folks to kill large fish. Stacey has clearly shown that an event with hidden weight will draw hundreds of Anglers and not encourage people to kill big fish. Its a win-win.

legacy · **Joined:** Tue May 10, 2005 7:55 am **Posts:** 992

IMHO:

All I can say is that I order and visit the G.S Chinese Restaurant in Amherstview and always find them to be very nice and accommodating people. I don't think they're much on fishing so am sure didn't realize what affect this may have but just wanted to help out.

In times like this when funds for such things are scarce, it's great to have places that try to generate funds with local fishing events and the likes. Add to that the awareness created with these events on the issue or whatever the funds go to, it's a no brainer that it's a help barring the "harvesting" issues. Look at the recent ALS Challenge for example.

It's good to know that they'll change for next year and someone contacted them. Kudos to whomever had cause this just adds more awareness to maintaining the fish populations, helps fosters a positive change without a lot of BS and keeps the communications open for further suggestions when done appropriately.

Cheers

pickerel killer · **Joined:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:28 pm **Posts:** 648

legacy wrote:

IMHO:

All I can say is that I order and visit the G.S Chinese Restaurant in Amherstview and always find them to be very nice and accommodating people. I don't think they're much on fishing so am sure didn't realize what affect this may have but just wanted to help out.

In times like this when funds for such things are scarce, it's great to have places that try to generate funds with local fishing events and the likes. Add to that the awareness created with these events on the issue or whatever the funds go to, it's a no brainer that it's a help barring the "harvesting" issues. Look at the recent ALS Challenge for example.

It's good to know that they'll change for next year and someone contacted them. Kudos to whomever had cause this just adds more awareness to maintaining the fish populations, helps fosters a positive change without a lot of BS and keeps the communications open for further suggestions when done appropriately.

Cheers

It was luckys bait and tackle that I contacted and they said they would change for next year.
Walleye wizard your my hero! I bet you have caught more fish than everyone on this board!

legacy · **Joined:** Tue May 10, 2005 7:55 am **Posts:** 992

Sorry to hi-jack.... ;-)

"It was luckys bait and tackle that I contacted and they said they would change for next year."

Never heard of Lucky's...is it local?

pickerel killer · **Joined:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:28 pm **Posts:** 648

Ya it's a tackle/minnow shop in trenton

legacy · **Joined:** Tue May 10, 2005 7:55 am **Posts:** 992

Thanks PK...

Odd to have G.S. hosting considering it's basically on the shore of Lake Ontario and in Amherstview.

Cheers

Maverick · **Joined:** Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:32 am **Posts:** 586

Walleye wizard, we have shared a few convos always great to talk fishing with you having said that, I somewhat disagree with your first point. People who catch big fish high five with buddies take pics etc and return those fish are not necessarily killing those fish imho. You'd have to agree tho if 100 fish over ten are caught and returned and 50 survive those are much better odds then 100 being caught and not returned.... Those big fish are our future and are solid breeders and should get the chance to swim away! A 30 yr old fish is so much better off swimming then in someone's freezer. Having said that the mnr says we are allowed to harvest one over 24.8" and having had the chance to work closely with them over the past few years I believe they know what's good for our fishery but a tournament promoting killing big fish no matter the cause might cause someone to harvest a fish for the sake of money when they normally would not...

I encourage live release at all times of the year and even forego the glory shot pic if the cold would be to damaging for the fish.

I think the same fund raising efforts can be established with a simple hidden weight draw up to 6 lbs or even do an on ice weigh in... Everyone attending can fish a certain area and carry an frs and call for a weigh in someone runs around on a bike and weighs and then releases and at closing ceremonies they announce winner? Just an idea.

fuddmann17 · **Joined:** Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:50 pm **Posts:** 17

Wow, as per the Ron Burgandy quote, this escalated quickly. Listen folks, I reposted this as it is a great cause and benefit for the community. I 110% agree that there should be some sort of weight restriction as I realize that the resource we all have and share is one of a kind. At this point and tickets I'm sure are already being sold so a format change would most likely be out of the question. The information and feedback has been passed up the lines of communication and education on the matter is first and foremost.

For all those opposed to this years event format, I suggest this, and I will be the first, lets instead of purchasing tickets to the event donate $10.00 apiece to the L&ASOS. Both goals are then met with the volunteers getting some fund raising and also some education of the fishery and how to best sustain it.

By no means is this an apology for posting the original post, I am and always will be an avid fisherman who enjoys to chow down on a fish or two every now and then. It is still a great cause and benefits people that we should all look out for, as we will all be in their shoes at some point. Lets hope that the voices will be heard and next years event will be formatted differently.

BigMac · **Joined:** Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:18 pm **Posts:** 1383

fuddmann17 wrote:

Wow, as per the Ron Burgandy quote, this escalated quickly. Listen folks, I reposted this as it is a great cause and benefit for the community. I 110% agree that there should be some sort of weight restriction as I realize that the resource we all have and share is one of a kind. At this point and tickets I'm sure are already being sold so a format change would most likely be out of the question. The information and feedback has been passed up the lines of communication and education on the matter is first and foremost.

For all those opposed to this years event format, I suggest this, and I will be the first, lets instead of purchasing tickets to the event donate $10.00 apiece to the L&ASOS. Both goals are then met with the volunteers getting some fund raising and also some education of the fishery and how to best sustain it.

By no means is this an apology for posting the original post, I am and always will be an avid fisherman who enjoys to chow down on a fish or two every now and then. It is still a great cause and benefits people that we should all look out for, as we will all be in their shoes at some point. Lets hope that the voices will be heard and next years event will be formatted differently.

Well said! Hopefully they change the format next year. Now everyone can kiss and make up.... #notlikely #wilderness

Grizzly · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:58 pm

what everyone is trying to do is mix a combination of Morals . ethics. and laws. everyone has an idea or a view on either one of the three. does that make you right and the other wrong?? haha if you think so I say screw you. how dare you tell me im wrong when I am well with in my rights mandated by law you see me break the law you have every right to turn me in for doing so don't do the crime if your not willing to do the time,,,,, spare me any holier than thou speeches because I highly doubt there is a man here who is so pure. they can honestly speak about another doing what they now as perhaps a born again fisherman haven't done in there own past!
If you see someone breaking laws perhaps you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to turn them in. id say 95% crap and moan but then look the other way.
Gluttony is one of the worst sins so ethically everyone should control there self if a guy wants to take a 12 pound fish and weigh it in a derby who cares?? . apparently many do. I take offence to the guy who goes out and catches 50 fish in a day then says I thru them all back but a limit of eaters then you see that same person out there the very next day doing it again/ news flash guys a 5 pound fish is just as viable to the breeding cycle as a 12 pound fish.
Law says 4 fish in possession one over 24.5 so follow the laws and do as you please so far the thread brings up many views, and is an interesting topic and not one complaint about Americans coming up and killing all the fish. or the natives spearing fish to feed the Toronto masses. personally I say let the MNR do the job they get paid to do. try to follow them and the laws they make because trust me, we are just one toxic waste dump away from having no walleye to catch.
steelhead are going belly up in devastating masses stateside as I type these words who do we blame for that? surly not a simple fishing derby to benefit the elderly or the young. or someone killed in a car crash to help his surviving family. Simply put if you do not support such a derby then by all means do not enter it but fighting here is a lot like peeing in the wind some know how to do that correctly all I ask is don't piss on my back and tell me its raining. grizz

Golf guy · **Joined:** Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:35 am **Posts:** 30

I was wondering when that was gonna come up grizz. The spearing. The walking over the spawning beds. Feeding toronto at 50 bucks a pound.

Walleye 9 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:05 pm **Posts:** 1985

I agree with Grizz on the point he made about 5 pound fish. I would imagine the number of fish kept by anglers between 4-7 pounds highly outnumbers fish kept over 10 pounds. I personally don't agree with the format of this tournament, but that's just my opinion. If people are seriously concerned about the fishery, and the survival of breeding fish, those 4-7 pounders need to go back.

Husky_Jerk · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:35 pm

Some good points grizzly but a 5lb fish as viable to breeding as a 12lb fish? Not sure about that. Why do you think the MNR put in place the one over 24.5" rule to begin with? Because years of research tells them that bigger fish are more valuable for breeding and genetics. If you can make a burger with the cheek meat, you shouldn't be keeping it lol.

Maverick · **Joined:** Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:32 am **Posts:** 586

I read an article for Mi Outdoor News a while ago which consulted A Fisheries Biologist on this issue. The following info is what was concluded The bigger females 10 pounds and up produce about 2 quarts of eggs. 4-7 pound females produce approx one quart of eggs. As long as the female is in good shape she will lay these eggs and if they are fertilized and conditions are right, they'll hatch. The genetics of these big females are usually very good, and the big fish are actually a whole separate resourse in their own right. There was also a study done at a university that I read about that found the larger walleye to be much more fertile for essentially the same reasons. More eggs laid, better genetics... I'm by no means a biologist so I go by what they write in their 200 page thesis studies...

Grizzly · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:42 pm

Husky_Jerk wrote:

Some good points grizzly but a 5lb fish as viable to breeding as a 12lb fish? Not sure about that. Why do you think the MNR put in place the one over 24.5" rule to begin with? Because years of research tells them that bigger fish are more valuable for breeding and genetics. If you can make a burger with the cheek meat, you shouldn't be keeping it lol.

the reason why they made that law simply put is because they have to try something and it was a good starting point a few years prior they had a slot and people complained it was hard or (TO HARD) to catch fish in that slot size many came here to catch eaters and went home empty so they came up with the only one over rule to please the masses

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