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 Post subject: Help the bass spawn...
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:11 am 
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Location: kingston, ontario
Not sure If this is legal in ontario, and that's why i posted it here.. Because i know the right people do come across these kind of posts. They are here lurking some where in the shadows, almost never post, just waiting for some thing like this to be posted... I really can't see why its not, but i don't know of this being done any where on bay of quinte.
Being a member of a newyork bass club the last 5 years, i have really noticed the american's do things completely different then us. all we hear in ontario is "let the bass spawn". there they have found ways to help the bass spawn be more successful.
Needless to say this is just one of a few things i see being done, only one i care to share on a public forum.
If you need to rip me a new one, do send it as a pm not a post.
Bass hater's need not to post, pm's won't be read...

Spawning Gravel Placement S.O.P
Gravel
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This more so for trout, as i couldnt find one for bass.
• Washed (Clean) round rock,
• Rock size should be a mixture ranging from +/- 20% of larger sand sized
to 1⁄4 inch washed pit run.
Placement Sites:
• Areas of existing scour where there has been sufficient scour to remove
organics and there is insufficient natural gravels,
• Tail out of pools,
• Areas of sufficient depth for water cover at low flows.
Placement Amounts:
• Depth 4” in 0.5 to 4.0 m wide channel width (take caution not to exceed
winter low flow stream depths),
• Depth 6” in > 4.0 m wide channel width,
• Length equal to channel width.
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Here are some of the guiding principles used for gravel placement in small, low gradient,
streams.
Gravel Size: This depends on the gradient and peak flow of the creek. Sizes can be determined
from observation of native gravel in the area. Species utilization is also a factor. Gravel should be
suitably mixed and complex sizes similar to the historic condition for the stream reach. Typically
small coho/cutthroat/chum streams require washed 1/4 to 2 1/2 inch round rock with a mix of 10
% cobble and a few boulders as well. The cobble acts to create aeration sites for the substrate, as
well as invertebrate habitat. The boulders facilitate aeration, invertebrate and emergent fry
habitat while helping to stabilize the entire bed.
Sites: Gravel sites are located in glides, riffles and pool tail outs. Do not place in pool bottoms.
Select sites that offer 1-3 ft per second water velocity during spawning. This can be found natural
or enhanced by creation of “quicks” through LWD and Boulder placement along the banks. Small
streams are easiest. Streams wider than 5 meters have complex thalwegs and placement can be
more difficult to determine and should be done with site-by-site prescriptions. Many glides can be
made into spawning riffles by the addition of control structures at the downstream end. i.e. logs,
boulder or cobble. This material must be sized large enough to hold the gravel in place and
prevent washout, again use existing native substrate as a guide.
Substrate: The site substrate should be relatively impermeable and firm such as gravel, hardpan
or clay. Avoid placement on soft substrates such as mud as the gravel will quickly become
embedded. Some removal of sticks, mud, in-stream vegetation or dirty gravel is allowed; too
much indicates a poor site selection.
Depth: Gravel depths of 1/10th of channel width are a good rule of thumb. This places the gravel
in depthssimilar to the natural, healthy, stream sites. Too much gravel may wash out then fill
pools or create dry areas at low flow. The material must be submerged during low winter flow.
Width & Length: Place gravel in square shaped deposits with lengths equal to the channel
width. Most spawning areas in low gradient (0-2%) streams are one channel width long and wide.
Exceptions are long riffles created by confined channels with less than the reach average width or
areas of higher gradient. Do not spread it wider than the low flow margins along each bank and
ensure a thalweg by spreading it in a shallow vie with a rake or with boots. D. Clough & W.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:20 am 
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Hey Steve, I agree! I agree because Bass fishing in general brings millions to the local area each year , but there is no public/government action to help or protect this resource. I would think the Ministry is informed as to the current financial and ecological values which accompany Bass fishing; but probably took a different path. A path which involves $stocking$ lakes no access lakes with trout........wtf

Local bass series' do help and promote indirectly through partnerships with Universities and these partnerships have helped certain aspects of the Bass industry and thereby the Bass fishing in general for the area. Last year we caught 6 tagged Bass which were part of University studies.

In respect to the "promotion" of the species, I would say that "bass guys" are in the same boat as walleye fisherman as there are certainly very little walleye promotion\enhancement being done (likely less than bass). I don't think there are any walleye tracking/tagging with any significant numbers.

From what I've read, Texas is a leader in their research and action programs. Their livewell design papers, catch and release boat design research and their Big bass program.... its very much a different train of thought south of the border.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:16 pm 
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A guy I know in north bay on trout lake placed some tires in the water and filled the centre with gravel. He placed about 4 or 5 . the following year each tire had a small mouth nest on them. He told me they never used to spawn along there. Not saying folks should do this but it supports your comments steve

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:08 pm 
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Location: kingston, ontario
Every thing i have seen done, has been done on the local club level, i don't think you could ever get the mnr to get involved in this.
I think its more of a time thing then money, i think a few hundred bucks would go a long way. found a mnr right up on it. seems pretty legal, even encouraged the way i read it.

http://www.creditvalleyca.ca/wp-content ... sh_hab.pdf

1. CREATING OR ENHANCING A SPAWNING BED
Spawning beds can be scarce in some waterbodies. But
before improvements can be made, you’ll need to
know what species of fish you’re dealing with and
what their spawning requirements are. For example:
• northern pike: seasonally flooded marshes and
wetlands near grassy hummocks
• trout & salmon : stream channels or riffle areas with
clean gravel-cobble substrate
• bass & panfish: pea gravel in shallow littoral areas
(bass will also use artificial spawning boxes)

• walleye: cobble-rubble in fast-flowing streams or
wind-exposed shoals of lakes
In addition to creating or enlarging spawning beds, you
can improve habitat by cleaning silt, debris and algae
away from existing sites. You can also open or clear
springs and groundwater seepage areas favoured by
spawning brook trout. Hoses with high-pressure pumps
are effective in cleaning spawning shoals for lake trout,
walleye and bass.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:00 am 
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Over the years quite a bit of effort and money was put into enhancing historic spawning shoals on Loughborough Lake by local fishing clubs. Unfortunately the shoals resilted . Loughborough now has a 12 month season as the MNR gave up on rehabilitating the lake.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:01 pm 
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Walleye Wisdom

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Location: Belleville
jimdoglk wrote:
Over the years quite a bit of effort and money was put into enhancing historic spawning shoals on Loughborough Lake by local fishing clubs. Unfortunately the shoals resilted . Loughborough now has a 12 month season as the MNR gave up on rehabilitating the lake.

According to the regs bass season is 3rd Sat in June to Dec.15.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:23 pm 
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Walleye Angler

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Location: Mississauga
Dont see why this is needed, as bass are EVERYWHERE on the bay lol. Its also illegal to put a random crib in a public waterway of any sorts. The Tire idea is a horrible one because the tire will eventually leech out harmful chemicals derived from Oil, into the lake you are thinking you are helping.....

Every body of water supports its own levels of fish species in its own natural ways, and if you want more bigger bass practice selective harvest, and target species that eat small bass like sunfish as an alternative. Other than a dock or a boat house with minimal impact to the area, NOTHING should be dumped into a public waterway. Unless you own the lake of course.


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