prince edward county and wind turbines

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

john e wrote:

Nobody answered the question on page 1 - why are we installing very costly windmills and selling excess hydro to American markets for less that it costs to produce - at the same time that our hydro rates are among the highest in North America?

Why has wind power not reduce our rates (at lest for those in close proximity)?
Why has the continual sale of hydro not offset the costs for us in Ontario (selling at a loss - then charge more)?

That is a very good question. Unfortunately the Ontario Government entered into a sweetheart deal with the nuclear industry to guarantee to purchase a defined amount of nuclear power annually - even if we don't use it.

So we take it, along with Green Energy, and due to not having a proper storage solution (yet), we are selling down to the states (at a loss).

However, don't kid yourself. It is due to the sweet heart contracts given to BOTH green energy developers AND nuclear facilities.

I'm working on a facility that has NON BATTERY forms of energy storage....at this time it is only a testing facility, but developers are activity working on methods to store energy that doesn't use batteries....

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

Please, keep these questions coming.

Not every answer is positive (from the fossil fuel movement OR the green energy movement).

However, the more the public asks questions, the better they are armed to form their OWN opinion

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

pickerel killer wrote:

http://www.windontario.ca

This link is a great example of "please consider your sources".

Very biased.

And don't kid yourself, there are just as many biased websites showing the other side (cansia for one).

Just know the above link is HEAVILY biased, and funded by the nuclear and gas industry.

Always, always, always review the source of the information.

Billy Dee · **Posted:** Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:27 pm

steve-hamilton wrote:

Just wanted to provide you a correction on the bolded above.

You cannot build on class 1, class 2, or class 3 farmland, in order to NOT take way proper farm land for the use of renewable energy.

As such, no agricultural land that could be used for farming (again, class 1 2 and 3) can be destroyed for the use of solar panels.

Correct, except the installations are allowed where steps are taken to limit the destruction of the soil. That means the solar is installed and the soil is (relatively) unharmed. Unharmed at the time of construction. And yet the land cannot support any crop so the land wastes over time. So, the soil remains viable but is not used for anything other than solar production. In fact, the growth of any plants that may interfere with the equipment is destroyed.

Every day I drive past solar arrays that are in fields that were once filled with crops.

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

I'm not at all saying your are wrong, however I had not heard that before.

I was not aware of any exception allowing for a bypass of the class 1,2,3 farmland restriction.

During a brief review of the IESO website, I can't find reference.

Only thing close is the exemption for projects less than 500kw. That needs to be there or farmers would not be able to put up those single dual axis tracker systems (the ones on poles) you see on all the farms due to the farm being, well, a farm

I would be interested in learning about what steps are required in order to bypass that restriction....

pickerel killer · **Joined:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:28 pm **Posts:** 648

steve-hamilton wrote:

pickerel killer wrote:

http://www.windontario.ca

This link is a great example of "please consider your sources".

Very biased.

And don't kid yourself, there are just as many biased websites showing the other side (cansia for one).

Just know the above link is HEAVILY biased, and funded by the nuclear and gas industry.

Always, always, always review the source of the information.

U may think that link is biased because you are for wind power. But I call it Reality! Money does not grow on trees, and I think the financial burdens outweigh the pros of wind power! I also seen your post towards P.W.U. Workers that are makeing 100k a year. Before u quickly edited it., I sense a little jealousy, and it's pretty pathetic u call that out, as those guys/girls work endless amounts of OT! It's funny how u quote the toronto Sun sunshine list, but then u say consider your source! Maybe the Toronto Sun should post the amount of overtime hours worked for those guys/girls beside thère annual income that you like to look at. I'm sure it will more than surpass the hours worked annually by yourself!
The costs are ridiculous to spend that kind of money on a proven un-reliable energy.
How many wind turbines would it take to replace the recently built gas plant in Napanee?
Approximately how many taxpayers would you piss off going with wind turbines instead of that gas plant?
How many times have you applied for a job with Hydro?

EvesR · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:28 am

Billy, calm down, you are going to have a heart attack.
Please, learn the terms you are trying to use. Appeal to authority has nothing to do with citations of published works especially from experts in the field with no affiliation to the parties involved. Which is why I don't cite from wind companies or an opposing side like windontario or the like. The reason I post citations based on facts is because you should never get your information from a persons opinion, opinions are emotional and most often twist the facts or ignore the portions that disagree with them like you have done.
Peer-review is the best way to achieve the most reliable information because if you publish something false you will be called out for it and your reputation will be shot, it has happened before in the scientific community were someone has tried to fudge the data, you always get caught. However if you don't have this process in place such as bloggers who will claim ridiculous things like CO2 and methane do not contribute to warming of the earth.They do not need to provide evidence because they are not publishing.

The reason you don't like posting citations based on facts is because the facts don't meet your preconceived notions. I am not here to change your mind as you have made it perfectly clear that no amount of facts will change your mind because you will just dismiss it as don't believe any of them anyway conspiracy. And why would I say my source is better than yours? That is just what you said to me, even though your only source is... you. The citations were meant for people willing to listen to what the facts are, and I see a few people have said they have learned something from this thread, and my only hope is they don't stop there and go out and objectively look at the evidence for themselves rather than be bullied into it by someone trying to peddle their opinion as fact.

PS you used a few ad hominems, by your definition, in your last rant. But not to worry, I'm not as easily offended

EvesR · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:42 am

"Approximately how many taxpayers would you piss off going with wind turbines instead of that gas plant?"

Why not ask the ones in Oakville and Mississauga

pickerel killer · **Joined:** Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:28 pm **Posts:** 648

EvesR wrote:

"Approximately how many taxpayers would you piss off going with wind turbines instead of that gas plant?"

Why not ask the ones in Oakville and Mississauga

They did not replace that gas plant with 10,000 turbines in that area now did they?? You do realize that if they took all the wind turbines off the grid it would not have any effect on the power supply to ontario!

EvesR · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:56 am

Steve, I think this is the link you were looking for about solar farms and CLI land class
http://fit.powerauthority.on.ca/faqsFIT ... ligibility

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

pickerel killer wrote:

steve-hamilton wrote:

pickerel killer wrote:

http://www.windontario.ca

This link is a great example of "please consider your sources".

Very biased.

And don't kid yourself, there are just as many biased websites showing the other side (cansia for one).

Just know the above link is HEAVILY biased, and funded by the nuclear and gas industry.

Always, always, always review the source of the information.

U may think that link is biased because you are for wind power. But I call it Reality! Money does not grow on trees, and I think the financial burdens outweigh the pros of wind power! I also seen your post towards P.W.U. Workers that are makeing 100k a year. Before u quickly edited it., I sense a little jealousy, and it's pretty pathetic u call that out, as those guys/girls work endless amounts of OT! It's funny how u quote the toronto Sun sunshine list, but then u say consider your source! Maybe the Toronto Sun should post the amount of overtime hours worked for those guys/girls beside thère annual income that you like to look at. I'm sure it will more than surpass the hours worked annually by yourself!
The costs are ridiculous to spend that kind of money on a proven un-reliable energy.
How many wind turbines would it take to replace the recently built gas plant in Napanee?
Approximately how many taxpayers would you piss off going with wind turbines instead of that gas plant?
How many times have you applied for a job with Hydro?

I edited my post as I felt personal opinions should not overrun facts.

It doesn't take much to see when you have 1,300 MW of power generated by solar and 3,900 MW of power generated by wind, all without human operation, that the unions that support human involvement in power operation would be against forms of power production that don't include human workers.

I'm not at all jealous of power workers. In fact, my best friend is a nuclear operator, and for what he does, he makes what he deserves. As far as hours worked surpassing mine, that isn't anything I'm going to comment on, as amount of hours worked does not dictate the difficulty one a persons job.

I quoted the sunshine list, as it is a very clear indicator of the amount of people who would have direct bias towards a form of energy that does not require human operation.

However, I have a business mind, and I work in business. I understand the amount of tax dollars high paid energy jobs contribute to the economy. So if you have 5,000 MW of power generated by gas or nuclear, you get high paid jobs paying taxes back to the economy - you don't with renewable energy.

As I said, pluses and minuses to every form of energy.

Yet, as you look through this thread, I've not said a single ill word against nuclear power (while gas power is not recessary and will be phased out in the upcoming years).

Finally, I've never applied for a job with any of the various hydro positions.....a business man has doesn't have the skills to work in a hydro facility. That isn't jealous, that is reality!!!

123 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:30 pm

Quote:

If we put fish on the turbine blades of the windmills, will it kill cormorants?

We do need that. Our first advantage

jjz · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:18 am **Posts:** 231

So after reading 6 pg of this thread the only thing I know for sure is that no mater which option is selected the tax payer is getting F@*%ed

Parksy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:12 pm

Exactly. Now imagine getting screwed and having to live next door to them (in addition to the potential ecological damage to local inhabitants on the South Shore) hence the opposition in PEC.

teppy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:41 pm

jjz wrote:

So after reading 6 pg of this thread the only thing I know for sure is that no mater which option is selected the tax payer is getting F@*%ed

And I wasn't bought dinner or kissed first.... Just a sore a$$ :lol:

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