Splake and trout aggregate limit

adventure · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:22 am

Does anyone know if splake are considered part of the trout aggregate limit? It is clear in the regulations that trout and salmon are and obviously a splake is of the trout family, but i don't think technically it is called a trout.
So can you catch your limit of 5 trout and also a limit of 5 splake? Curious what others think.

FishinScuba · **Joined:** Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:25 am **Posts:** 149

Splake have the * beside it in the regs for div 18 which means the aggregate limits apply

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:57 pm

The only zones that do not class them in the aggregate limit are the zones that do not class them as an available or as a non-fishable species. So yes they are a part of your aggregate limit if they are in a zone with an open fish season. Can not get much more troutish then being a hybrid of the lake and speckle trout clan.

adventure · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:31 pm

I have the 2019 regs in front of me and i don't see an * beside splake in zone 18. I get the whole hybrid thing and if it was called a splake trout i wouldn't have even brought up the question. But the aggregate limit clearly says "trout" and i couldn't find anything saying splake are included.
I'm not about to push my luck and find out the hard way, just thought maybe as a splake is a man made hybrid it didn't count as a true trout. Unless I'm missing something.
Thought it an interesting question regardless.

wayne · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:39 pm

Look on page 10 of general fishing regulations,halt way down page.

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:45 pm

wayne wrote:

Look on page 10 of general fishing regulations,halt way down page.

Playing the word game Wayne, he does not see splake trout or splake salmonoid so with that I believe he may be willing to play the "huh! card". Not my fine so do as you wish, or maybe call the OFMNR and have them give you the definition.

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:05 pm

This statement is from a report that was drafted by the MNR in 2002, page 4 second paragraph [b]The catch and possession limit for salmon and trout species, including hybrids, are
considered in aggregate, thus the catch and possession limit is the combined number of
these different species.[/b]

Full draft
http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/reposito ... 256936.pdf

Splake_Hunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:01 am **Posts:** 12

Since when is a splake not a trout? Aggregate limits apply.

littledog · **Posted:** Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:20 am

Adventure.....here's my take on it

2018 regulations(as an example)…...they used the asterisks,
they were placed beside the species( ie splake,brook trout) in each zone where they exist ie 15, 18 ect, and listed as not present in others, ie zone 20 ect,(PLACES WHERE SPLAKE,or brook trout, ARE NOT SUPPOSEDLY THERE and therefore closed) and they further explained aggregate(and combined) on page 7.....both as it applies to walleye, bass, crappie ect…...and explained again separately for all trout and salmon species.
The key for me here is all trout species which would mean splake in my opinion

2019......they do " not "use the asterisk,
they were" not" placed beside the species(ie splake, brook trout ect )...in each zone they exist ie 15,18 ect, and were listed as not present, and therefore closed in zone,20 ect,
but, they do still explain the aggregate(and combined aggregate) system on page 10,once again as it applies to walleye bass crappie ect, and again separately as it applies to all trout and salmon species .The key here is, at least to me , once again, the phrase all species of trout and salmon species which to me means splake
ps...…..The scientific name of this hybrid, is Salvelinus fontinalis x Salvelinus namaycush, which in itself, sounds pretty trout or salmon to me

adventure · **Posted:** Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:23 pm

My take is the same, but just got thinking. Dangerous thing to do, i know...
I knew about the hybrid statements from years back but didn't see a specific reference this year and thought they might have changed the regs.
Maybe something for them to consider. It would be nice to get a limit of splake then jump to another lake and try for brook trout or rainbows. They are after all a man made, put and take fishery. I would take a reduced limit on other trout if we could.

Bobber · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:15 pm

Splake are not a "trout " as neither parent is.
They are Char.
Still wouldn't push my luck though...

Bob

FISH HUNTER · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:09 pm

Splake
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The splake or slake (Salvelinus namaycush x Salvelinus fontinalis) is a hybrid of two fish species resulting from the crossing of a male brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) and a female lake trout (Salvelinus namaycush). The name itself is a portmanteau of speckled trout (another name for brook trout) and lake trout, and may have been used to describe such hybrids as early as the 1880s.

Bobber · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:39 pm

From that same Wiki article

The intrageneric hybrid is of the genus Salvelinus and, hence, is most properly known as a char or charr. In some locales, the fish is referred to as the wendigo. Although the hybrid is genetically stable and is, theoretically, capable of reproducing, splake reproduction is extremely rare, for behavioural reasons, outside the hatchery environment. The only known natural reproduction has occurred in five lakes in Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario, Canada

Bob

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:11 pm

Well, to be truthful I do not believe that the MNRF will be taking gene or gnome slices for identification before giving you a gift called a fine. The more involved and in-depth this continues the more confusing and argumentative it can become. Point is it is still part of an aggregate count and the MNRF and a Court of Law will see that they are stated as an aggregated count in the Trout family.

Unchained · **Joined:** Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:27 pm **Posts:** 131

just ask MNR or a conservation officer for a clarification. In the spirit of the rules, they're part of the aggregate limit. In the letter of the rulebook, your interpretation may be different. Before testing it, maybe ask them how they enforce it.

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