Quinte Fishing

#54750, "LIVE BAIT BANNED"


This is only in Scotland SO FAR. How long before PETA gets it here?

Anglers fear ban on 'cruel' live bait will spread

By Jasper Copping, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 1:30am GMT 08/01/2007

Anglers are to be banned from using live fish as bait after politicians decided it was cruel.

The ban, which will apply in Scotland, has angered fishermen south of the border who believe it has handed a major victory to animal rights campaigners calling for similar legislation in the rest of Britain.

Steve Greenway, a leading angler from Staffordshire who has been on 105 fishing trips to Scotland, said: "If I thought live bait was cruel, I wouldn't use it. Where will it all end? Do you stop using maggots and worms as well?"
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Mark Barrett, the general secretary of the Pike Anglers' Club of Great Britain, said: "To have the law change like this on your doorstep is going to be a concern for people in the rest of the UK."

The blanket ban was a last-minute amendment to the Aquaculture and Fisheries Bill, which has just passed through the Scottish Parliament without any objections.

It has already been strongly endorsed by Scotland's deputy environment minister Rhona Brankin and will pass through the legislature for a final time in the next three months before becoming law.

Green Party MSP Eleanor Scott, who is deputy convenor of the environment and rural affairs development committee and an architect of the Bill, said: "Anglers won't like me saying it, but fish do feel pain and we felt there was a cruelty issue here."

The politicians also believe live bait threatens fish stocks by introducing alien species into their habitats which may bring diseases and parasites.

Putting live small fish such as roach on a hook is a common tactic for catching larger, predatory fish like trout, perch and pike, which are drawn to the movement.

The coarse fishing industry contributes up to £7 million a year to the Scottish economy. Ron Woods, a policy officer from the Scottish Federation for Coarse Angling, said: "This will hurt fishing tourism."

But Yvonne Taylor, from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said the ban was a "massive first step" in the group's fight for one in the rest of Britain.

Angling is the nation's most popular participation sport, with an estimated four million devotees. In recent years their hobby has been increasingly targeted by animal rights activists. Last summer saw a spate of attacks on fishermen.

Scientists are divided on the issue of whether fish can feel pain.

If you always do what you've always done,
You'll always be whom you've always been.

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Daren

SO there saying its cruel to use live bait but its ok to eat fish they need to make up there minds.

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A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work

They prob dont think eating fish is right. They cannot get rid of fishing easy so they just chip away at it little by little. Now they got live bait out of the way they can work on another aspect. Like here in New York businesses cant sell lead sinkers 1/2oz or under. Its all the little laws that will destroy fishing. The governments complain about how fat people are getting but they regulate outdoor activities to the point where people say why bother. Well enough of this rant. I'm off to the outdoor show in Watertown, NY.

I cant believe the lack of response to this article from the board viewers, I would have thought that everyone would have been up in arms.

Becareful what ideas may spread across the ocean.

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Daren

a lot of us dont use live bait.....

i guess tipping spinners with worms might be effected ...

with the vhs crap, many folks have moved away from using minnows....

however, ice fisherman, i'd expect, to be up in arms....

i'm personally not an ice fisherman.

I understand Steve, I normally dont use life bait either, except for worms on worm harnesses and lately more gulp then worms, I guess that the mere concept of banning life bait is what bothered me more than anything. We were discussing this and wondered if you killed the minnow first would that still be considered life bait? As in salted minnows?

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Daren

I didn't coment on it because it comes as no suprise to me.Being a hunter as well i'm use to having other peoples values and opinions jamed down my throat.When you have people like Paul Macartny,Pamela Anderson , PETA and the liberal party of Canada that have all kinds of money and a treehuging urbanite agenda it is going to keep happening.Weather it is the use of minnows or frogs as bait or the seal hunt or the spring bear hunt or the gun registry the people that are effected the most are the minority.We seperate ourselves further when we break our selves into different groups,ie. "I don't use minnows so it don't matter","I don't hunt bears in the spring anyways","I only hunt with a bow so I don't care about the registry".I have heard all these comments at one time or another.This is one reason why the treehuging agenda is so succesfull they have one common goal- eliminate all hunting, fishing, and trapping.They are doing a good job!


PS:I have brunt every beatlles cd I owned

I agree with everything you say Duber, sometimes we get tunnel vision and do not think about the fact that whether we use minnows or not, or hunt bear or not, it is all related. The PETA folks are taking one step at a time.

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Daren

I beleive in catch and release bow and gun hunting.

Great Stanley, please tell me how you practice catch and release after shooting with either a bow or a gun.

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Daren

It's actually quite easy to practice catch and release hunting, I do it all the time. Just dip the end of your arrow head in the special tranquilizer serum (you can get this over the counter at any reputable sporting goods store). When you hit the animal it will start falling asleep in a few minutes. Go to the animal pull out the arrow, have a buddy snap a few photos and then gently massage the temples of the sleeping animal. This will revive the animal much like swishing a fish in the water prior to letting it go. Wrap the wound in gauze (this is where your first aid kit comes in handy). Gently walk away and hide behind some bushes. You will now witness one of the most exciting moments in the hunt: The animal will rise onto it's feet, nod or wink at you and go on it's merry way. To hunt with a gun all you have to do is buy crowd control grade rubber bullets. These are available at any good police equipment store. Shoot the animal with the rubber bullet (I recommend practicising on a house cat) in the area just between the nose and upper lip. This will stun the animal for about 3 minutes. Take your photos and hacksaw off a piece of horn if you want a souvenier (you will not find horns on a domestic house cat). If you want to enjoy some meat with your friends just buy some blue-ribbon bologna at the local deli and fry it up with a can of spaghetti. Most people can't taste the difference.

What the HECK! Ya Scotland is going to feel the wrath of PETA and Governments that give into them, how can they call it equal rights?????
As a angler that uses live bait all winter long I would diffently go off the deep end if they banned all of it here, which will never happen!
It's like taking the bat from Sammy Sosa and saying here now go try to hit a homerun! Cant take away the tools that make success happen! I wonder if Peta members have ever had a ounce of fun in there LIVES! They are to busy worrying about what other people are doing...... and to worry about anglers damaging ecosystems and fish populations is just CRAZYINESS! Go after the Big companys, that dump endless amounts of toxins into the waterways and the Governments that turn there back on it!
Could go on for days but thats my rant to add!


Mike

. If you have never hunted you would probly only look at the negitive side of hunting, and the same goes with fishing, if you dont fish you just dont care if other people do it either........ we are being goverened by people who grew up in big cities never hunting, or fishing, and just didnt grow up doing it, or even around it for that mater..........i think we should ban the use of concrete, and turn city streets back to dirt and mud....... we line our roads with gas laidened tar thats made up of gas, and oil to make it better for big city folks to get to work faster........ i for one like a dirt road. it slows down the speed deamons and keeps the paint chipping down to a minimum on the BMW........... Look at the snog pollution in any city, i guess the brite side is it cuts down on unwanted mosquetos. i say we heavly tax all big city dwellers for polluting our country and trying to urbanize the world as we know it.......... peta. and greenpeace both spend billions printing propaganda on how wrong it is to kill animals and fish yet they put nothing into the preservation of fish and wildlife........ Go Figure! .... humm im thinking we wouldnt have paper. if we didnt kill trees. do trees feel pain? . i guess if you kick a tree your going to say ouch before it does................ if you kick a greenpeacer they bring on a class action law suit. and the lawyer is gonna be someones brother, sister uncle who has never fished, or hunted but knows its wrong to push your views on fellow man!