Culling Fish

Sam at Carra's · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:27 pm

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H.H · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:10 am

well folks big fish are bragging rights as we all know,this fishing is just plain stupid,if they only knew the long term effects of what there doing,but some-how i don't think it would matter to these idiots!
theres a fine line a grey area sort ta speak for the MNR i understood that if you catch it you keep it,but with a size limit on the bay saying only 1 over 24 7/8(just say 25")then in fact your culling fish.
sad to see people out there doing this!!!!!!!!
im very glad to see such a response to this topic.

IM SURE WE ALL REMEMBER JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO YOU COULD NOT BUY A WALLEYE OUT THERE(EVEN IN THE WINTER).
the fishing is almost back where it was and we all need to BUCK UP and defend our fishery(yes our fishery).

Now with that being said id like to say that IM PROUD to be a member of this board,i fish quinte alot and i respect all laws,and any-one here that knows me knows ill be the first to BUCK UP lol(out spoken as i am lol)ive had many a talks with peps like this and theres only one way to get your point across!!!!!

REPORT A POACHER

ok thats my 2 1/2 cents
taker easy all
H.H

P.S-nice to see people still care.....

wiggler · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:14 am

shepherd wrote:

To get the correct information on this topic go to page 9 of the 2008-2009 Regulation Summary under the title "A Change to Ontario's Catch and Release Rules"
You are allowed to cull all day provided you have a livewell that holds at least 10 gallons in your boat and has an operating aerator, and provided you do not hold more than your license allows and the fish you release are in such a condition that they will survive if released.
Any fish not live-released are part of your daily catch and retain limit.

I did read this in the new regs. They explain that culling will now be allowed in Ontario. BUT these new laws take effect January 1st, 2008. The fish in the video were culled this year (2007). Therefore the act was illegal.

Luke · **Joined:** Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:21 pm **Posts:** 89

Sam at Carra's wrote:

I have viewed the videos and do not feel comfortable with what I have seen. Obviously they should rename their website to "hownot2fish". Just to think that this is going on and everyone here is trying their darnest to keep our fishery here on the BOQ going strong and then you have some outfitters that feel they should display their very poor practices of how to break the law. These outfitters are not from our local area and they migrate in and become slob fisherman. Shame on them.......not an outfitter that I would recommend.

Regards,
Sam

I agree.
Most "out of towners" respect OUR fishery, but it's guy like this that make you sick. The guy is obviously not concerned with the firshery, he's more concerned with the money in his pocket. Any respectable guide/charter would have many reason to preach to his clients why big fish like these should be released. We don't know the whole story, but I'm sure the scenario was the clients wanted some fish to eat. Well if the "guide" has any sense at all, he would preach to his clients that these fish are not even healthy for eating.... How does the saying go....."money talks"..... Disgraceful!!

fish_boy · **Posted:** Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:22 am

Walleye wrote:

There is a law being broken here. I don't have the regs in front but there is a law that says you can't mistreat your fish. The wording is much more clear in the regs.
Clark

As a fisherman it really bothered me to watch that video and see the fish flopping on the floor. That just isn't right.

Fish Hound · **Posted:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:27 am

To all my fellow fishermen that were not happy with the youtube video.The guys in the videos were really excited.We ran into a whole bunch of fish all at once as you can see from the videos all of the fish were live and well,all fish that were released swam away.Most of the fish released were 22-24 inch the guys only kept one monster each to mount.Not trying to hurt anybodys feelings with the videos, guys were just having a good time and one of there best fishing trips of a lifetime .I preach to all the guys that go out in the bay with me to respect the area and only keep a few fish there were 6 guys in the boat and boat was way under limits.I apologize if you were ofended by the videos that was not the intent.See ya and have a safe winter. Fish Hound(fish.hound@sympatico.ca)

Bob Rother · **Joined:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:42 pm **Posts:** 1

Let me start by introducing myself to this site. My name is Bob and I am from Pennsylvania. I think you have a nice site here. It is very informational and have enjoyed reading the posts over the past month. I just received my approval to be on this board yesterday.

Most times I do not feel the need to voice my opinion on what others are doing, but when I saw the video on youtube it made me sick. Yea we don't know the exact details of what was going on before or after the video, but during it, How2Fish made it quite apparent that these fisherman lacked any ethics or class, and maybe smarts too. At least they had enough intelligence to remove the video of their illegal actions.

This year was my first time fishing the BOQ and it made me feel good that there were no fish harmed as a result of my actions. We took special precautions to make sure the trophy fish we caught were returned. This required us to nurse a few fish back to health by letting them recuperate in the livewell for up to two hours before being released. Yea maybe it may have been overkill, but this is our fishery and it is up to us "Sportsman" to protect it.

Thanks for the good site and Merry Fishmas,

Bob

bluedog · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:58 pm

welcome to the site
your post made a lot of sense
thank you
a fellow pa person
blue

GHoroky · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:48 am **Posts:** 25

I've been following this post for awhile. Let me state as a disclaimer, I know the Fishound personally. Secondly I fished professionally for 16 years and have experienced many things in many places that most of the poster here have only dreamed of or had nightmares of.

Have you ever noticed why most touring pro seldom post?

The reason is because many "holier than thou" fisherman live on the web. These are the guys who have never seen a pile they could not jump on to and probably gave a few good kicks for extra measure.

In the early days of the PWT, we developed the techniques used today at Quinte. With the help of Ohio SeaGrant and the Ohio DNR we addressed the problems of big fish caught fairly deep. The technique of fizzing fish was developed and thought to be the answer for releasing fish.

Studies by the ODNR over several years proved that this was not the answer because delayed mortality was monitored in closed conditions and found the was about 90% mortality after six months. These studies were done years ago and my tired brain is grasping for details.

If you catch a big fish on Quinte in the fall chances are they are going to die. You will never see evidence of this as fish goes back deep, probably bleeding and bruised and deslimed.

Your catch and release thinking makes us feel good but has no effect on this fishery. The only thing that affects the fishery is the spawn. Good spawns produce good fishing.

Back to the original post, you saw a snap shot of a day of fishing, what we call a "flurry" in the business. This is what most of us hope for during a fishing trip. All rods going at the same time, people excited, thinking they died and went to heaven.

Righteous indignation is at play here.

Go look for a better pile to jump on and give a couple of kicks for me.

Greg Horoky

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:46 am

Hi Greg, Big Blue from the Lavergne group here, hope Christmas has treated you well.

I have not seen the video on youtube nor am I interested, besides I am on dial-up here and it would take a month of Sundays to do so.

As you are aware we the Lavernge group have used you as a guide service in the past and to the best of my knowledge will continue to do so in the future. Can not beat the service that you have provided us and all was good honest and ethical. The reason for the plug for you is that last summer our group was large enough in numbers (besides the size of Blue) to warrant 2 boats which were provided by you. One boat was your own and the other was How2Fish. Jeff the owner of How2Fish had a work obligation and therefore the boat was manned by his brother and one other. Not sure but I think Scott?? the brother and Ted.

The fishing was slower then the year before but all was good even the 5' rolling water. The fish count I know on How2Fish was a constant at being checked by the 2 manning the boat as well as license quanity check before start. We caught everything from sunfish, sheephead, perch, bass, catfish, walleye which we kept and I believe 1 goby. the only fish that was not returned to the water in a caring manner was the goby.

I guess where this is going is that if we need 2 boats again next year How2Fish should do just fine.

Gary aka Big Blue

Big Blue to Greg not in reference to any other Board member if there is a Big Blue

Rocky Mountain Man · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:56 am

Talk about self-serving drivel. A charter captain defending his and his partners' in crime actions of not releasing fish in a safe, appropriate and ethical manner. To make the argument that "the fish will die anyway" for rationale not to release fish is absurd at best.

Quote all the studies you want, Greg ... because for every study there's another one that would debunk the results you state. No doubt fisheries studies are important, but come on ... don't use science as an excuse for bad and unethical practice.

DanElliot · **Joined:** Mon Apr 08, 2002 8:59 am **Posts:** 4329

Hey guys I have been watching this thread and I wanted to respond in a fair manner. Often we are suckered when watching the news by a short clip taken out of context. It seems something terrible was done but in fact when you have the full story it all makes sense. I received some info on the utube clip and what you saw makes sense to me. There was nothing illegal of catching these fish.
The guys were under the limit. The fish were all caught in a 10 minute span. They never caught anything the first 4 hours then all hell broke loose. Fish were all live and well when put back they were in the 22-24 inch class. The guys could have kept them legally and ate them but he only let the guys keep one. When the last lines were cleaned they had 6 go pretty much at once and it was chaos in the boat the guys were just really excited. .Just trying to show they were having fun. Lets not get worked up by this one.

GHoroky · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:48 am **Posts:** 25

Rocky

You have just proved my point about some of the net fisherman.

Greg Horoky

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

Question.

If so many fish die that are caught, and hundreds are caught DAILY by anglers through the months of October and November, where are all the piles of dead fish?

this is a very serious question.

i hear the same junk about salmon, and how they die after you release them....but you never see mountains of dead salmon in the spring washing up on shore....yet they are caught by the hundreds close to shore by the south shore anglers.

Fry Flier · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:03 pm

Steve, I can tell you as well as most salmon river fishermen that it is not unusual to see many caught and never caught salmon dead in the riverbeds during the runs and post spawn. It is just the way that mother nature takes care of her system. Fishing the Ganaraska River in the fall is one of my passions and I can tell you that it is not uncommon to see a lot of fish carcasses in the river one day to be completely gone in 2 - 3 days. They are great wildlife food and degrade at such a high speed even when not eaten that there is little to no sign of them in days.

Not an expert here just an average fisherman that has seen a lot of dead salmon.

FF

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