Quinte Fishing

Hey Hutchy:

Lots of good advice has been given in this thread. Don't know what your budget is, but I think you'll be far better off to save your money and get a .243 or .270

Grizz gave some great advice as a .243 is a great gun for a youth, fast and flat shooting with little recoil, great for coyotes and deer but as adventure said a .270 is a do it all gun that is suitable for bigger game. Consider a used gun if that's what your budget demands, or look at a Savage bolt action. Savage has come along way in the quality of their rifles recently and the price point can be much lower than other brands. You can get a synthetic .243 equipped with a 3-9 X 40mm scope for around $400 and a .270 for not much more.

Best advice I can give you is take your time, consider what your use for the firearm will be and buy a good quality rifle that will meet your needs, new or used. I know you're anxious to get in the game, but taking the time to find the "right" rifle will save money in the long run and you will have something you can enjoy for a lifetime.

Good hunting.

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ok i will look into those calibers. so what is better for ammo prices between the two?

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My .270 rounds are cheaper, however I shoot premium .243 rounds so that affects the price a little. But in general the difference is not enough to stop you from buying one calibre over the other.

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Another great calibur to consider imo would be 6mm rem. Or if u wanted somthin a lil heavier that will do yotes to moose my choice would be .270 WSM real nice round with short action bolt throw.

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The .270 WSM is ballistically and operationally appealing, but my buddy got one and found the factory ammo worked well, but was very expensive. He reloaded for a while but had issues with them sticking in the chamber and couldn't seem to get it right so he ended up trading it in.

I'd like to see Remington make a WSM in their pump. I'd pay the extra for that. I have the .270 pump now and do find it a long throw, although I never seemed to notice when shooting moose.

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I've had same issue with reloading 7mm rem mag and 30-06. I found re-sizing some of the cheaper brass didn't go 100% after it had been reloaded once already, sometimes reloading the first time I've had a few out of a box would stick. Somtimes its a sign of too hot of a load or sizing and bullet seating issues but I'm seeing it more every year so I think its at least partly due to manufacturers are maybe using cheaper brass to cut costs, cost cutting seems to be the trend now days.

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Hello all,

I'm Hutchy Sr.
I tried to write this earlier but I pm'd Ian instead. Thanks for you input Ian, I appreciate it.
I'd like to thank everyone for their advise given for my son's question. I too have been telling him the same thing so now it sounds like he is going listen. We live on 40 acres along the Murray Canal which has clumps of 100 acre woods here and there. We tried Bow hunting deer this year but every time we saw deer they had coyotes chasing them. I told my son if he saved up the money to buy a gun I would get my PAL as he can not purchase a gun until he is 18, which he did so now I have to. I am considering a 20 gauge for myself and using slugs on coyotes because we are hunting close range for the most part and then my son can use it for deer next year during shotgun season. But, I am wondering if the wardens could give me a hard time, insinuating I am poaching deer? Ian suggested making sure I have coyote calls and maybe a decoy to make it more obvious which I do use a call now. Anyone else have a thought or know for sure about slugs on yote's during off deer seasons?

Thanks, Matt.

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We were out one time in February and one of the guys had a 12 gauge with buckshot and we did get stopped by the Warden. He made accusations about shooting deer, but we simply explained we were coyote hunting and he didn't have a rifle so brought his shotgun. There was nothing more he could do so after checking everything out, we were on our way.
He ended up shooting one the next time we went out with his shotgun. I set him up about 150 yards downwind of me where I was calling from and it circled around right to him.

Another of my buddy's uses a 20 gauge with slugs for deer and took one a couple years back with it. He said it went down as fast as one with a 12 gauge. Without the kick. No issue for coyote using slugs and a great gun for that. This also brings up the scenario if you only want a 20 gauge for slugs, if you should get a rifled barrel or a smoothbore. I'm not sure if 20 gauges come with rifled barrels or not. Which brings up this next point.

IMO, the 20 gauge would be great for deer and coyote with slugs, grouse and bunnies with lead shot. But not enough for waterfowl, especially geese.
If you don't already own one and think you or your son might go duck or goose hunting one day, you may want to consider getting a 12 gauge instead. It'll do everything and there is a far greater selection of every kind of shell for them compared to a 20 gauge. Plus you can get a larger selection of smoothbore or rifled barrels for the 12 gauge.

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12ga is a lot cheaper to shoot too. Buck shot is the way to go for yotes, check out predator quest's web site.


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slugs make for awfull expensive yotes lol

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I think your right about the 12 gauge, he would like to goose hunt too and they are inexpensive new or used. Also I guess wardens can accuse you of almost anything but as long as your not standing over a dead deer they can't charge you with it.

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Well heres my two cents. My cousin has a remington 870 express combo in 20 gauge. Came with a rifled barrel and smooth barrel. "SHE" hunts ducks with my dad and I all season and is not by any means "handicapped" by the fact she has a .20 gauge. She kills ducks and geese using black cloud in the 3" loads no problem. She shoots Hornady SST's for slugs and managed to kill a nice buck at 80yds last year, which was her first deer season. He didnt go two steps. For the amount of yotes you would be shooting at i dont think the slugs will run you that much money. Anyways my two cents.

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257 Weatherby Mag...........the cartridges are expensive but worth it, everything from mice to moose............nothing shoots flatter, hits harder or is more accurate than Weatherby

Good mawgin Ladies n Gents. After reading all the posts in this thread, I'm going to add my bit too. From personal experience I for can attest to the fact a 20ga is prob under rated by many people. My soon to be 16yr has been using one for the last 3 yrs, he's a skinny lad, might go 110lbs now soaking wet, He uses it well from rabbits all the way u p to geese using 3" mag. The shot column may not be as large as the 12ga, but everything is proportional based on size.

I have to say as well, after all the reading, and seeing various calibers listed, one not mentioned unless I missed it, is the lil swedish hot rod 6.5x55 swede. Again my s on who at the time of his adventures in the hunting faterinty, has used one since he was 13. He swears it has less recoil than his 20ga using 3'' mag slugs for deer hunting. I would, and do recommend this caliber for anyone who is light framed or a youth just starting out in the brother/sisterhood hunting community. To the nay sayers, this round is more than capable of bringing down a mature bull moose! One can get 160gr rounds commercially made by Norma. This lil sweetheart of a swede is fast and flat, ideal for coyotes as well in Sothern Ont. I have told JR this is all the rifle you will ever need, then added, till you can afford a different one. funny how that goes, my lil twerp is better outfited than I am. Guys how does that work anyway? lol
I get him better gear, than I do formyself. Anyone have this situation as well?

there's a nice 243 tikka forsale on here