Port Hope Story

rtkman · **Joined:** Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:28 am **Posts:** 528

I agree not everyone is a monster in the rivers. The few need to be brought to justice though.

kevin67 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:02 am **Posts:** 61

True enough, i hear that.
I have just as good luck (or better) with flies or just marsh mellows. And yes, i do use roe myself!
I guess i'm just sick of whats going on here! I live 1 minute from river and walk my dogs daily along river and see this day after day and just wanna deck someone some times!!

steve-hamilton · **Joined:** Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:40 am **Posts:** 1776

WW, those places where large populations of walleye and bass exist and you can fish for them during the spawn, can you use the spawn of that fish to fish for them?

otherwise, I agree with your post 100%.

littledog · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:59 am

I think there are many places across Canada where you can fish for walleye and other species that have showed up in large numbers to spawn. Are not the Quinte Bay females(Walleye) coming from the big lake into the bay for eventual spawning? Do not a large number spawn in the bay itself where they are accessible through various means ? The salmon in Cambell River BC are migrating there for spawning purposes and its an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars , probably more. Plus Moira R, and the Trent R, I've seen big female Walleye come out of both rivers through various means,and Ive seen dead wasted fish there as well in various years. Koodos to the fisherman in that area who release them and those that remind others.Agree with your spawn point though.....flies work just as well most times ,sometiomes better.As for bass , the late season seems to protect them more than most species,at least in Ontario.

littledog · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:13 am

I agree with that as well,and it is a legal bait, and sold commercilly as well in most every bait store as well as Walmart and Canadian Tire in huge volumes, although I do realaize those eggs are from other sources.They are an effective and widley used Ministry approved bait in both forms,fresh seems to work better though. I have occaisionally used them in the past but now prefer the fly

GAMBELL · **Joined:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:22 am **Posts:** 28

fredflint wrote:

Nice story. Just goes to show you all the rivers should be off limits this time of year.

If they closed the rivers, it would only hurt the legit fishermen. The idiots that break the laws and snag, will still be there if the rivers were off limits. They have no respect for the fish or the fishery so what makes you think closing the rivers would keep them away?

gordo1000islands · **Joined:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:32 pm **Posts:** 282

WalleyeWonder wrote:

To kevin... once again not everyone obtains their roe that way.... Hatcheries, fish cleaning stations and the odd keeper are great sources for free roe. These people are 1%ers..... no need to ruin it for everyone

hatchery is a awesome choice, the problem i see is people are not aware it is even available to them.
This is were all my roe comes from www.fishheadscanada.net rainbow /brown/salmon. take your pick
cheers

Walleye 9 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:05 pm **Posts:** 1985

Whatever happened to buying roebags at the Tackle Shop??????? Nobody ever bitches about spending $10 on a crankbait, $6/dozen minnows, $3/dozen worms, hundreds and hundreds of $$$$ on rods, reels, line.....etc. You've gone that far, why cheap out and tie your own roebags???

Just sayin'

P.S This post was not directed to anyone specifically, just my thoughts.

jimdoglk · **Joined:** Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:59 am **Posts:** 79

This thread started by being a pissing match then became totally inane. Those fish are going to die in the river and aren't fit to eat anyway. Fish fair for the enjoyment of it but why make it sound like something it is not. Just relax people.

Perchslayer666 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:17 pm

I was here last friday, lot of fish around as well as a lot of people. Seems like the perferred method of catching these guys is by lining them, ans everyone was sitting back with a line in the water waiting for a fish.

Also, are these fish good to eat? I was watching a few guys talking some dark fish home, similar to the color in the above picture, they cant taste that good do they?

littledog · **Posted:** Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:40 am

As these big fish move through, there are browns and bows in the fall that follow (some mix into the early salmon runs)for myself these fish(Browns AND Bows) are good eating fish and I will keep the occasional one ,(NOT A FAN OF EATING THE BIG SALMON THOUGH)
Because of the various ethnicities that fish in Port Hope , it is my understanding that some of these big fish find there way into various cultural dishes ,Ive seen some families and groups take four or five big fish home at a time ,all bound for the table,never had the opportunity to try them the way they do, might be pretty good?

kevin67 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:02 am **Posts:** 61

jimdoglk wrote:

This thread started by being a pissing match then became totally inane. Those fish are going to die in the river and aren't fit to eat anyway. Fish fair for the enjoyment of it but why make it sound like something it is not. Just relax people.

It's not about that "they are going to die anyway"! They still need to spawn out! This thread is about people breaking the law and ruining it for the "real fishermen!

Think i'm gonna bring down my paint gun and hide in the bushes and have a little fun...who's in?

fredflint · **Joined:** Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:00 pm **Posts:** 73

well think i started the pissing match, just would hate to see it crash was my main point i was making. would be a sad day. I know they stock the lake.

littledog · **Posted:** Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:08 pm

So many fish up river north of the dam, did not see one fisherman where I was , by far ,there is more fish up there than Ive ever seen in many decades ,Same reports coming from the American side ,there is even a recent posting on this site about recent higher than average numbers going up river there.Season closes in two weeks and they will still be there, at that point in full spawning ritual,just like they have for well over a hundred years.Theyve been stocking it since the mid nineteeth century(program actually started with Atlantic Salmon in Newcastle),now they ,including the American side put in millions of Chinooks some years,last few years the concentration seems to be back towards Atlantics.There is even a recent study out of Western that shows the high numbers of Chinook spawning are an issue to the success of Atlantics.They themselves(MNR) refer to the Salmon program as put and take ,some fish may be natural, but many many many are hatchery raised fish,point is its one fine fishery and those that want to legally fish it should not be criticized, nor should others be lead to beleive the lakes in trouble by the suggestion of closing rivers.Enforcement is,as always the key factor,"that" is what started this post

Weedman · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:48 am

I'm so glad there's a couple posters here, who can keep some of what's going on in the tribs right now in perspective. There's always a few bad apples out there who break the law and commit offenses like snagging, harvesting roe an leaving slit fish on the banks to rot. This is very unfortunate, and we need to stand up for the fish in a reasonable fashion. Make your calls to the MNR and report a poacher. Don't sit back and do nothing but complain that rivers should be closed. IMHO, it's not the solution.

My son and I fished the Ganny Saturday afternoon and evening on a stretch downtown and found that for the most part, the fisherman were all using typical baits like spawn bags and egg like baits and most 'flossed' fish were being released. I know that's not always the case. Doing something is always better than doing nothing folks. I spoke to a couple guys who showed up at the river with regular spinning gear using quarter ounce jigheads/grubs and doing their cast and rip technique and I called them on it. Never afraid to do that when other 'real' fisherman are about. Considering the muddy colour of the water, the salmon were really cooperative and seeing so many blast up river was an amazing sight to see. I'm sure there were some incidents that took place and some of you have probably seen the picture making the rounds of 10 or 12 slit hens lying in a pile at the Ganny. This took place last weekend and its terrible, very sad to see. Closing the rivers will not put an end to this type of behaviour though...education and proper enforcement will help and joe citizen standing up for what's right. The bright side is hundreds of fish are making their way up the Ganny uninhibited to spawn and the majority are wild fish. Amazing!!

I think we're forgetting that the most vulnerable sections of these creeks and rivers close to fishing at the end of this month. Realize that only a handful of rivers in Southern Ontario support natural reproduction of Chinook Salmon and I'll just throw this out there that perhaps those streams (like the Ganny and Wilmot) should have shorter seasons and rivers like the Credit where natural reproduction of chinook is very limited, leave those open a little longer into the fall. In saying that, it seems some years most of the Chinook run is done by the end of September. Closing streams that do not support natural reproduction of the salmon just doesn't make sense when it's mainly a put and take fishery. As some other posters have mentioned, one of the best ways to build awareness of the fisheries in these watersheds and garner support for ethical means of harvest is for people to see others fishing, stop to chat and engage in conversation regarding how fortunate we are to still have shoreline opportunities to fish for these amazing salmonids. As pointed out in the great article circulating around about the bonanza of salmon fishing down near Oswego, reproduction of wild fish has gone through the roof thanks to a few years of more moderate summers and milder winters. That's great news...

And, that study from western about the chinooks impacting the spawning success of the Atlantics is nothing but BS. After planting millions, upon millions of Atlantics in Lake O in an effort to re-establish the species, the catch rates in the lake have been dismal and returns to the streams to spawn are almost non-existent. The program to date has been a huge failure, and the government needs someone or something to blame. Trust me, the chinooks are not the problem. Remember, the smolts typically spend two years in the rivers before dropping back into the lake and thus are highly vulnerable to pollution and other factors such as spikes in water temperature during the summer. It's likely most Atlantic smolts were negatively impacted by this summer's heat, as most juvenile steelhead would have been. I was monitoring summer temps in upstream portions of Oshawa and Duffin's Creeks and temps well exceeded 65 deg f. Tha's not good news for survival rates and native brook trout can be impacted as well...

Our chinook fishery in Lake Awesome is the envy of the world right now, let's get out and enjoy it...legally of course!

Tightlines people...

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