A Word of Warning - Picton Bay

merkinbrumsky · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:51 am

RULE 3 - General Definitions - International

For the purpose of these Rules, except where the context otherwise requires:

2. The term “power-driven vessel” means any vessel propelled by machinery.

Umm, I think the Halton Marine Unit needs to go back to school. First they hassle you about charts that aren't a requirement and now they are telling you a vessel operating with an electric motor is not a "power driven vessel." Maybe they should take the CPS course. Just sayin.

The only time a vessel under sail has to give way to recreational power driven vessel who is fishing would be if the guys fishing were at anchor......"not under command" ie. have lost their engines due to a mechanical malfunction or they are overtaking you.

The lake freighters only have right of way over blow boats when they are in a narrow river or channel where the freighter is either " constrained by her draft" or "restricted in her ability to maneuver." On the open lake they follow the same rules as everybody else.

I relieved a first mate about 10 years ago on the Upper Lakes vessel Quebecois who clipped a blow boat on lake O cause he thought he had right of way and didn't want to adjust the auto-pilot

. The big white paint mark was still on the bow when I joined the ship in Hamilton. He is no longer employed on board ship or holding a maritime navigation license. Not just cause he had a collision.....that happens all the time...cause he didn't know the regs and stated such when he told a Transport Canada Marine Safety Inspector he had the right of way.

outkast · **Posted:** Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:42 pm

I see this argument in forums and talked about at harbours and local watering holes time after time. Yes I am a fisherman and I spend a lot of time on the water. Just as much as the sailboat racer. Rules are rules, I agree. THERE IS NO REASON TO TACT(spelling) SO CLOSE to the guy that is just having fun fishing at a much lesser speed and control. Sailboaters can change their course and still win their race while I fish with my young son in peace. Again, rules are f#@*"g rules but morals go along way.

Walleye 9 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:05 pm **Posts:** 1985

Rules are rules, and need to be followed. But just like driving a car, never trust the other guy's judgement. Kinda goes both ways. Wheteher I have the right of way, or not, I can tell when somethings not going right, and I'll get out of the way. If a sailboat sees a 12 or 14' boat in the distance, it's probably tough to tell if he's anchored, trolling, or maybe even drifting, till it's too late. Kinda reminds me of guys fishing close to the bouys, and complaining about other boats whizzing by.

merkinbrumsky · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:36 am

Walleye 9 wrote:

Rules are rules, and need to be followed. But just like driving a car, never trust the other guy's judgement. Kinda goes both ways. Wheteher I have the right of way, or not, I can tell when somethings not going right, and I'll get out of the way. If a sailboat sees a 12 or 14' boat in the distance, it's probably tough to tell if he's anchored, trolling, or maybe even drifting, till it's too late. Kinda reminds me of guys fishing close to the bouys, and complaining about other boats whizzing by.

Agreed. A little common sense goes a long way. Hopefully none of us will ever end up in maritime court....just pointing out that if you do..... involving an incident with a blow boat....chances are you will lose your case. I avoid them like the plague if at all possible. There is so much rhetoric being spread around on these forums about the collision regs these days and lots of guys don't have a clue. I wouldn't direct any questions to the local marine units as they seem to be out to lunch. I would advise all boaters who are in doubt to contact your local CPS branch.....or even better Transport Canada Marine Safety office. Not sure if he is still there but Capt. Murry Helwig in the T.C. Toronto office would be the guy to ask.

Out.

Grizzly · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:42 pm

Exceptions
There are several exceptions to this rule.

•The operator of a pleasure craft of less than 20m in length, or a pleasure sailing craft, shall not impede the passage of vessels which can navigate safely only within a narrow channel.
This generally refers to large ships or commercial vessels making way in a narrow channel where they have no room to manoeuvre. Ships may remind you of this rule by giving five short blasts of its horn.

Ships may remind you of this rule by giving five short blasts of its horn.

•The operator of a pleasure craft less than 20m in length or a pleasure sailing craft, shall not impede the safe passage of a power driven vessel following a traffic lane.
•The operator of a power driven craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing, or any sailing vessels.
•The operator of a pleasure sailing craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing.

kevin booth · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:35 pm

I use the 5 oz egg sinker rule,they useually only do it once.lmao

West Lake Willows · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:38 pm

Just to throw my 2cents in. Recreational fisherman are NOT considered a "fishing vessel" as per the regulations.

Scott

Grizzly · **Posted:** Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:19 pm

kinda funny isnt it how vague rules and regulations can be . if you look in my post thats taken right from a canadian site. and its states ANY now maybe im wrong but ANY to me means ANY but to them im sure they mean ANY with exceptions to the exception and one must note any does no nessessarly mean any maybe its the cost of ink they tried to save by not saying ANY commercial fishing vessal

•The operator of a pleasure craft less than 20m in length or a pleasure sailing craft, shall not impede the safe passage of a power driven vessel following a traffic lane.
•The operator of a power driven craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing, or any sailing vessels.
•The operator of a pleasure sailing craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing.

merkinbrumsky · **Posted:** Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Grizzly wrote:

kinda funny isnt it how vague rules and regulations can be . if you look in my post thats taken right from a canadian site. and its states ANY now maybe im wrong but ANY to me means ANY but to them im sure they mean ANY with exceptions to the exception and one must note any does no nessessarly mean any maybe its the cost of ink they tried to save by not saying ANY commercial fishing vessal

•The operator of a pleasure craft less than 20m in length or a pleasure sailing craft, shall not impede the safe passage of a power driven vessel following a traffic lane.
•The operator of a power driven craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing, or any sailing vessels.
•The operator of a pleasure sailing craft shall take early and substantial action to avoid any vessel engaged in fishing.

I don't know where you got this from but this isn't what the collision regs say. Obviously a gramatic typo. No wonder there is so much confusion. The official collision regs make it way more complicated to understand. :lol:

Scott is correct.

Grizzly · **Posted:** Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:15 pm

hahaha i wondered when it would come to this. well i got it from the safe boaters guide you know that place where you get your boaters safty card so you or anyone can opperate a boat on Canadian waters lol . I do believe we all studies from the same guide and took the same course in order to get the boaters safty card lol

http://www.safeboater.com/studyguide3-4.asp

And for the record im quite sure Scott is correct also just thought it funny to find this in print and as i said just goes to show you how vague laws can be even in writing

polliwogg · **Posted:** Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:07 pm

Actually we're not supposed to use the safe boaters guide as study material, I don't know why. Most providers have their own book but if someone wants to challenge the test they can usually get by with the guide.

Once you get into Trans. Ca. publications you see more Car oriented terms , like" right of way ". I don't think the term "right of way" is even in the collision regs. Shouldn't have car guys trying to simplify boat regs.

The safe boaters guide does have some great pictures of boats local to the Quinte area in the distress and flare sections.

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