wellington stream under attack please help

Grizzly · **Posted:** Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:49 pm

News fresh off the presses and it stinks. have a look and see what they want to do here in wellington...... if you guys look back you will see a post i made with trout in a stream 2 days after i learn that they actually want to dig and re route this stream thru a pipe under ground and for no apparent reason at all...... back in time people actually built houses over this stream if you wanted to do thta this day and age you would never get past square one now after a hundred plus years of this stream flowing AS IT HAS someone has desided to spend tax payers dollars to not only dig up a street but re route the steam into pipes this could totally kill the trout run for ever more.
all we hear about this day and age is how we cant do this or cant do that yet here they want to do something and break so many rules, and laws in the process that no normal man could ever think of doing even the people who own these building arnt in favor of this project so we can only guess as to exactly WHY and to whos bennifit this project is even entertained. ill post the link you guys should take a look and please feel free to leave a comment on it so others see us as fishermen actually care about our streams and rivers, lakes even more than our own cities, towns and government .
Please visit and look what they plan to do................http://wellingtontimes.ca/?p=8510
This video was taken 100 yards down stream of the picture posted in the paper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia-w5rlS ... e=youtu.be

uglystix · **Joined:** Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:11 pm **Posts:** 235

Something needs to be done about this before they start. That river has a ton of migratory fish in it that are reproducing and. We're going out drainage pipes in Makes a lot of sense after all the money we spend to stock fish

sunrisecottageresort · **Posted:** Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:52 pm

I've got a pretty good reason why they are doing this but I don't want to speculate. I'd suggest giving Jim Dunlop (Wellington Councillor) a call and ask him the details. There will be a public meeting in the near future so we could sure express our concerns there. Don't blow a gasket yet Grizz.

Grizzly · **Posted:** Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:25 pm

well I really cant think of any good reason Dave but there could be one or even a couple reasons but i just cant see them from every angle i have looked.......... but yes if they do have one, and even a very good one i would like to know every step will be taken with the stream, and the fish in mind if or when they do this project. we all know it can be done correcly with the conservation in mind so dam the cost do it right or not at all thats what I say I would still like to see some impact studies done and be convinced that what they are planning to do will be any better or make any improvement on what is already there and has been there for over a century........ as things stand right now it is hurting absolutly no one I beg to differ when they say in print WEE STREAM....... this is a viable natural reproducting trout stream. its not just a dranage ditch.

sunrisecottageresort · **Posted:** Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:34 pm

Grizzly wrote:

well I really cant think of any good reason Dave but there could be one or even a couple reasons but i just cant see them from every angle i have looked.......... but yes if they do have one, and even a very good one i would like to know every step will be taken with the stream, and the fish in mind if or when they do this project. we all know it can be done correcly with the conservation in mind so dam the cost do it right or not at all thats what I say I would still like to see some impact studies done and be convinced that what they are planning to do will be any better or make any improvement on what is already there and has been there for over a century........ as things stand right now it is hurting absolutly no one I beg to differ when they say in print WEE STREAM....... this is a viable natural reproducting trout stream. its not just a dranage ditch.

You are absolutely right Chuck. Ask Al what I think of the Wellington Times/Tabloid. Council needs to be educated on our fishery and perhaps the Public meeting would be a good place to start. I have pictures of my son, when he was 8, holding up a Trout when we lived in the house next to you. The Trout always ventured that far.

Gerritt · **Joined:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:28 am **Posts:** 66

Please keep us informed on when the meeting will take place. I will be there for sure.

traveller · **Posted:** Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:38 pm

I can't believe MNR would allow any changes that would effect a spawning area unless it was to improve the spawning area. They just spent a million dollars near Ottawa to build a fences on each side of a road and a route under the road so turtles would not get killed going to their nesting areas. I'm sure there is a solution to keep this river open to these trout so they can continue to spawn.

catcher · **Joined:** Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:12 pm **Posts:** 393

Notify the Quinte Conservation Authority , they would be all over this .

mrdylan · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:53 pm **Posts:** 64

Harper signed off a bill that allows them to do just this. Sadly this is only the beginning. They used to have to get approval and now they can go ahead and you have to appeal it from what I was told the work would be done by the time you even get to court. This was all over the news I doubt the MNR is going to be able to do anything about this.

This is one link on it you can find hundreds.

http://www.oliviachow.ca/2012/10/harper ... and-lakes/

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[size=85]Harper ‘Budget’ Bill Guts Protection of Rivers, Lakes

Conservatives Toss Out 130 Year-Old Law to Speed Up Pipeline Construction: NDP

October 19, 2012

OTTAWA – Tucked inside the 450-page budget bill, the Conservatives are launching another attack on Canada’s environment with the gutting of a crucial waterways protection law. Exempting pipelines crossings from mandatory reviews, Harper is putting streams and lakes at an irresponsible risk, experts agree.

“The Conservatives are writing a blank check for the Northern Gateway pipeline to cross 800 streams and rivers without any review,” NDP Transport and Infrastructure Critic Olivia Chow charges. “It will just be a matter of time before a pipeline accident will wreck a river.”

The NDP is pointing to the 2010 Enbridge pipeline burst in Michigan that released 3.8 million litres of toxic tar sludge into the Kalamazoo River.

The Navigable Waters Protection Act, in place for 130 years, was already softened by the Conservatives in 2009, removing many of its strict regulations.

“Harper and his buddies are now completely demolishing a law that has served Canada’s rivers and lakes so well – and all this is done without any consultation or committee review, making a sham of our democracy,” MP Olivia Chow explains.

“Canada has hundreds of thousands of rivers and lakes that are vital for our ecosystems, drinking water and recreation – and now the Conservatives are throwing out vital protection mechanisms to please their big oil friends,” the MP for Trinity-Spadina concludes.[/size]

traveller · **Posted:** Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:45 am

So I'm to believe the Gateway Northern Pipeline is going to go thru downtown Wellington "wow" Wellington has bigger problems than a small river that runs underground. Now if someone said it needs to be done so they can provide Natural Gas to the home owners I might have believed it.

This could be local government decision which possibly aren't aware of what Chuck has shown all of us in his underwater camera. They say pictures are better than a thousand words, hopefully anyone in the decision making on this project has a opportunity to view them.

jjz · **Joined:** Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:18 am **Posts:** 231

mrdylan wrote:

Harper signed off a bill that allows them to do just this. Sadly this is only the beginning. They used to have to get approval and now they can go ahead and you have to appeal it from what I was told the work would be done by the time you even get to court. This was all over the news I doubt the MNR is going to be able to do anything about this.

This is one link on it you can find hundreds.

http://www.oliviachow.ca/2012/10/harper ... and-lakes/

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[size=85]Harper ‘Budget’ Bill Guts Protection of Rivers, Lakes

Conservatives Toss Out 130 Year-Old Law to Speed Up Pipeline Construction: NDP

October 19, 2012

OTTAWA – Tucked inside the 450-page budget bill, the Conservatives are launching another attack on Canada’s environment with the gutting of a crucial waterways protection law. Exempting pipelines crossings from mandatory reviews, Harper is putting streams and lakes at an irresponsible risk, experts agree.

“The Conservatives are writing a blank check for the Northern Gateway pipeline to cross 800 streams and rivers without any review,” NDP Transport and Infrastructure Critic Olivia Chow charges. “It will just be a matter of time before a pipeline accident will wreck a river.”

The NDP is pointing to the 2010 Enbridge pipeline burst in Michigan that released 3.8 million litres of toxic tar sludge into the Kalamazoo River.

The Navigable Waters Protection Act, in place for 130 years, was already softened by the Conservatives in 2009, removing many of its strict regulations.

“Harper and his buddies are now completely demolishing a law that has served Canada’s rivers and lakes so well – and all this is done without any consultation or committee review, making a sham of our democracy,” MP Olivia Chow explains.

“Canada has hundreds of thousands of rivers and lakes that are vital for our ecosystems, drinking water and recreation – and now the Conservatives are throwing out vital protection mechanisms to please their big oil friends,” the MP for Trinity-Spadina concludes.[/size]

The NWPA has no impact on this decision, with the act still entacted all that would have been involved for this to be approved was 2 more forms to be filled out and stamped. This is a local govt issue, the fight needs to start at the town council level.

mrdylan · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:53 pm **Posts:** 64

Lol go read and not just that one link, The changes made in the bill don't only affect the pipeline & it is for all of Canada as well. Hopefully because this river affects Trout something will be done but I would not hold my breath on it.

blackriverfisherman · **Joined:** Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:20 pm **Posts:** 342

Can you give a name of who we should call to voice our concerns.

Grizzly · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:17 am

As Catcher had said i have contacted quinte conservation to try to sick them on this issue also contacted Conservation Ontario . waiting to hear back on both, would be good if people would make a post on the wellington times paper i posted more posts there can only help open the publics eye and show a consurn as to what they are doing under our noses. there will be public meetings so when i hear i will post the time and date there you could come in person and voice an oppinion ,,,,,,,,, I have talked to a few land owners who could possibably bennifit from this and they know nothing and have yet to be approched this really stinks, and it sounds so wishy washy its really quite hush hush so i do hope higher authorities get involved soon and shut this down before it ever gets started I susspect it has to do with a parcel of property up for sale and if they can move the stream it will open other or new avanues to this land I say loer your asking price dont expect us to tamper with a stream so they can make a better profit on a sale......... stay tuned........ and please make a post on the wellington times so far all who have viewed this only one has made a post there its free so voice a consurn like they say.squeeky wheel gets the greese

ad29 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:44 am

Grizzly wrote:

As Catcher had said i have contacted quinte conservation to try to sick them on this issue also contacted Conservation Ontario . waiting to hear back on both, would be good if people would make a post on the wellington times paper i posted more posts there can only help open the publics eye and show a consurn as to what they are doing under our noses. there will be public meetings so when i hear i will post the time and date there you could come in person and voice an oppinion ,,,,,,,,, I have talked to a few land owners who could possibably bennifit from this and they know nothing and have yet to be approched this really stinks, and it sounds so wishy washy its really quite hush hush so i do hope higher authorities get involved soon and shut this down before it ever gets started I susspect it has to do with a parcel of property up for sale and if they can move the stream it will open other or new avanues to this land I say loer your asking price dont expect us to tamper with a stream so they can make a better profit on a sale......... stay tuned........ and please make a post on the wellington times so far all who have viewed this only one has made a post there its free so voice a consurn like they say.squeeky wheel gets the greese

Done and done, thanks for bringing this to our attention, hopefully they hear the outcry and reverse their decision!!!

Andrew

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